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Some Americans worry about threat of political violence after Charlie Kirk’s death

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Charlie Kirk’s death has led to a range of emotions – anger, sorrow, fear, vindication. Uncertainty is another as Americans wait and worry about whether there will be more political violence. NPR’s Liz Baker has been collecting some of that reaction.

LIZ BAKER, BYLINE: In July, an NPR/PBS/Marist poll found that 73% of respondents believed political violence was a major problem. That survey was taken right after two Democratic Minnesota lawmakers and their families were shot in their homes. Jackie Hunter, who took part in the poll, says things have only gotten worse.

JACKIE HUNTER: We’re living in a very scary time.

BAKER: Hunter is a security officer at a Fresno, California, high school. He’s worried the Kirk assassination, which happened on a university campus, will make his students feel less safe. Garrett Yoshida from Birmingham, Alabama, doesn’t trust either political party or the media to cool the rhetoric.

GARRETT YOSHIDA: We aren’t getting anything solved, and quality of life is not getting any better for people. Mental health is getting worse, and here we are.

BAKER: Tom Earl from Baltimore, Maryland, says, as a 70-year-old Black man who remembers the killings of Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, it’s not worth wading into the fray.

TOM EARL: This is a time for us to just sit back. We should let everybody else comment on that.

BAKER: A lot of people we spoke to refused to go on the record about the Charlie Kirk assassination because of the public vilification that’s flared up against anyone saying anything critical about Kirk’s legacy. That’s why Miles asked NPR to use his first name only to re-air his comment on Boston Member Station GBH’s midday talk show.

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MILES: Kirk himself was a part of the political project that was trying to take dignity away from many people in this country. Nobody should face violence for speech like this, but I think that is being flattened in our appraisal of this.

BAKER: Jessie Williams never paid attention to Kirk before he was killed. But since his death, Williams has been listening back to Kirk’s old interviews. Williams disagrees with a lot Kirk had to say, but says Kirk deserved to be heard.

JESSIE WILLIAMS: This is a sorrowful period of time, and I’m fearful, actually. Who knows where this is going to go?

BAKER: Charlie Kirk was a complicated individual, noted Williams. Reaction to his death is complicated, too. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. Accuracy and availability may vary. The authoritative record of NPR’s programming is the audio record.

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Liz Baker is a producer on NPR's National Desk based in Los Angeles, and is often on the road producing coverage of domestic breaking news stories.

Since joining NPR as an Arts Desk intern in 2010, Baker has worked on each of NPR's newsmagazine programs and dozens of hours of special coverage, including every election night and inauguration special since President Obama's second term. She has covered natural and man-made disasters, including Hurricanes Maria, Ida, and Ian, the catastrophic 2019-2020 wildfire seasons in California, Oregon, and Australia, and the Surfside condo collapse in Florida. She also covered mass shootings in Buffalo, NY, Uvalde, TX, and Monterey Park, CA, and high-profile court cases such as the hate crime and murder trial against Ahmaud Arbery's killers in Brunswick, GA, Harvey Weinstein's sexual assault trial in Los Angeles, and Britney Spears' conservatorship hearing.

In 2020, Baker produced on-the-ground coverage during the COVID-19 pandemic, including the summer of racial justice protests following the killings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor. She reported extensively on the protests in her hometown of Rochester, NY, which were sparked by police body camera video of Daniel Prude's death and contributed to renewed conversations about policing reform and mental illness.

From 2015 to 2019, Baker produced and directed Weekend All Things Considered; working closely with host Michel Martin to revitalize the program after its move to Washington, D.C. following a 2-year run in Los Angeles.

In her spare time, she enjoys climbing, camping, and clomping around the Santa Monica mountains with a too-heavy pack, always ready to lend first aid and snacks to others on the trail.

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