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Consumers’ collective feeling about the economy isn’t matching our spending behavior

MARY LOUISE KELLY, HOST:

Something is puzzling our Planet Money podcast team – two economic indicators behaving unusually. The first is consumer sentiment – our collective feeling about the economy. The other is consumer spending – how much we collectively spend. Now, those two lines on a chart normally move precisely the same way, but recently, they’ve split up. Sarah Gonzalez has more.

SARAH GONZALEZ, BYLINE: When Dhiren Patki, an economist at the Boston Fed, saw consumers spending, even though consumer sentiment is low…

DHIREN PATKI: I mean, it’s mostly bafflement, right?

GONZALEZ: There are actually a lot of things going on right now that you’d expect to actively slow down overall spending. Like interest rates are high. We have growing inflation – still. Tariffs, which have made the prices of a lot of goods go up. And yet, overall spending is still strong.

PATKI: That’s part of the puzzle as well. So not just the consumer sentiment versus consumer spending, but these other forces as well.

GONZALEZ: Patki did have a hypothesis. He thought something was making spending look strong, and he had a way to check – a giant database of credit card usage. He found that more than half of the credit card spending is coming from people with the highest income. And while that might sound like, yeah, of course the wealthiest people spend a lot, it’s more than just that. Patki says the growth rate in their spending is what is particularly significant. The highest-income consumers are spending billions and billions more than they, as wealthy people, used to in a month. They’re spending 86% more than they were 10 years ago, even adjusted for inflation. Meanwhile, the lowest-income consumers are spending 50% more than they used to.

So it’s not that inflation and high interest rates and tariffs are all of a sudden not affecting consumer spending. They are. It’s just that the people at the top are kind of insulated from some of those things. And this is the reason consumer spending looks so good. The highest-income Americans are propping up the economy with all their spending. But this does make the economy vulnerable.

PATKI: If more and more consumer spending is supported by households at the top of the income distribution, then some shock that affects their resources, like a shock to stock markets, may pass through into overall consumer spending more.

GONZALEZ: Our economy, you could say, is in a precarious situation.

You described our economy as a Jenga tower at the moment.

PETER ATWATER: So I mean it’s a top-heavy Jenga tower.

GONZALEZ: Peter Atwater is an economics professor at William & Mary.

ATWATER: All of the economic strength in this economy is at the very top. And so our Jenga-tower economy is creating an illusion of prosperity.

GONZALEZ: Atwater says for the people at the bottom, things are bad and getting worse. And for the people at the top, it’s good and getting better.

ATWATER: You have Delta Air Lines saying that next year, for the first time in its history, it will have more revenue from the front of the plane than the back of the plane.

GONZALEZ: For the first time ever?

ATWATER: For the first time ever.

GONZALEZ: So if consumer spending right now depends on the rich, and the rich are spending because they feel extra rich and confident because the stock market is also doing really great right now, Peter says a shock to the stock market is all it could take for the Jenga tower to fall over.

Sarah Gonzalez, NPR News. Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

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Sarah Gonzalez is a host and reporter with Planet Money, NPR's award-winning podcast that finds creative, entertaining ways to make sense of the big, complicated forces that move our economy. She joined the team in April 2018.

Before joining Planet Money, Sarah was a reporter with WNYC in New York City, where she dug deep into data and documents to uncover stories of inequality.

Sarah's reporting uncovered that the Department of Homeland Security was apprehending undocumented teens on Long Island, based on flimsy claims that they were affiliated with the MS-13 gang. Dozens have since been released from detention after being held for months.

For her five-part investigation into how New Jersey prosecutes minors, Sarah received the 2017 Daniel Schorr Journalism Prize, awarded to a public media reporter under age 35, and was a finalist for the 2017 Livingston Award for young journalists. Sarah found that teenagers were serving prison sentences that amount to life despite a U.S. Supreme Court ruling prohibiting life sentences for minors. And she uncovered that 90 percent of minors tried as adults in the state were black or Latino. She was part of the WNYC reporting team awarded an Alfred I. duPont-Columbia University Award for the podcast, Caught: The Lives of Juvenile Justice.

Sarah has served as a fill-in host for The Takeaway and WNYC's live two-hour call-in news show, The Brian Lehrer Show.

Her investigation into Florida charter schools turning away students with severe disabilities received an Online News Association award for Innovative Investigative Journalism. She has received a national Edward R. Murrow award for Excellence in Innovation, and national awards from Public Radio News Directors Inc., the Society of Professional Journalists and the Education Writers Association for her investigative and feature reporting.

Prior to WNYC, Sarah was an NPR Kroc Fellow in 2010 and was a state education reporter with NPR's StateImpact Florida from 2011-2013.

She graduated from Mills College in Oakland, CA, and grew up on the San Diego-Tijuana, Mexico border.

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