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PolitiFact Virginia: Deeds 'Mostly True' on Red Flag Claim

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State Sen. Creigh Deeds, a leading voice for mental health reform, is talking up a “red-flag law” in Virginia that would allow the seizure of guns from people deemed substantial threats to themselves or others.

Speaker: Creigh Deeds

Statement: Red-flag laws have been “shown to reduce the number of suicides by firearms.”

Date: June 11

Setting: Radio interview

 

State Sen. Creigh Deeds, a leading voice for mental health reform, is talking up a “red-flag law” in Virginia that would allow the seizure of guns from people deemed substantial threats to themselves or others.

The legislation is on a list of gun control bills slated to be put before the General Assembly in July special starting July 9. Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat, ordered the legislature to convene in the wake of a May 31 mass shooting at the Virginia Beach Civic Center that killed 12, in addition to the gunman.

Deeds, D-Bath, discussed the upcoming session during a June 10  interviewon the conservative Virginia Talk Radio Network

“The so-called red-flag bill; it’s been endorsed by a commission put together by President Trump at the federal level, it’s been enacted into law in a number of states, and shown to reduce the number of suicides by firearms,” he said.

Deeds is right that a Trump commission, and the president, have  endorsedred-flag laws - also called “Extreme Risk Protection Orders.”  Fifteen stateshave adopted the laws, and  many othersare considering them.

What caught our ear was his claim that the laws have been “shown to reduce the number of suicides by firearms.” We wondered if he’s right.

Deeds told us he doesn’t remember the source behind his statement. “Maybe I just heard it; I don’t know,” he said.

 

Background

Fifteen states and the District of Columbia have red-flag laws. They allow police - and often, family members - to petition a court to order the temporary removal of firearms from a person who may be dangerous to himself or others. After a set amount of time, the weapon is either returned to the person or the court order is extended.

Supporters say the laws can prevent violent crimes and suicides. Opponents say they allow government seizure of firearms in violation of the Second Amendment. The National Rifle Association  opposedthe laws for many years, but in 2018  changed position and said it would back bills if they provide due process and require mental treatment for the person temporarily forfeiting his gun.

In Virginia, a red-flag bill was  defeatedin January by a 4-2 vote of a Republican-controlled House subcommittee that routinely defeats gun control measures. The bill would have allowed a law enforcement officer to ask a judge to deem a person poses “substantial risk of injury to himself or others,” and order seizure of his firearms for 14 days. The judge would have had options to extend the order for 180-day periods.

There hasn’t been a lot of study on the effectiveness of red-flag laws, mainly because they’re a recent trend.

“Generally, it’s too early to tell whether red-flag laws work,” the Nebraska Legislature was told by its research office in a February 2019  report. “The majority of red-flag laws were enacted in 2018; only two states had laws in place prior to 2014, allowing little time for extensive study.”

The Nebraska Legislature  delayed considerationof a red-flag bill until next year.

 

Studies

The two senior red-flag states are Connecticut and Indiana, which enacted laws in 1999 and 2005, respectively. The vast majority of seizures in both states have been to prevent possible suicides - 68 percent in Indiana and, some years, as high as 80 percent in Connecticut.

Aaron Kivisto, a psychology professor at the University of Indianapolis, published a widely-cited  studyin 2018 finding red-flag laws were statistically likely to have reduced gun suicides in the two states.

Indiana likely saw 7.5 percent fewer gun suicides from 2005-2015 than it would have without the law. Kivisto wrote that statistical analysis “suggests” the law may have prevented 383 firearm suicides over the 10 years, and 44 non-firearm suicides might be attributed to the law.

Connecticut laxly enforced its red-flag law during its first eight years and the measure likely resulted in 1.6 percent fewer gun suicides from 1999-2007, according to Kivisto.

Connecticut has seen stronger results since amping its enforcement in reaction to the 2007 mass shootings at Virginia Tech that killed 32 students and faculty in addition to the gunman, who had been adjudicated mentally ill but still bought firearms. From 2007- 2015, Connecticut likely saw 13.7 percent fewer gun suicides than it would have without the law.

But the results are not a clear overall win in Connecticut, While there were fewer gun suicides than might be expected, people may have turned to other ways to end their lives. Kivisto estimated the law prevented 128 firearms suicides and might be “attributed” to 140 non-gun suicides.

A complication with the statistics is that the raw number of suicides - with and without guns - has increased in Connecticut, Indiana, and across the United States this century. So have suicide rates per 100,000 people. Kivisto says his analysis suggests there would have been even more gun suicides without the red-flag law in Connecticut and Indiana.

Combining his Connecticut and Indiana results, Kivisto concluded, “These findings suggest that firearm seizure legislation is associated with meaningful reductions in population-level firearms suicide rates, with mixed evidence for a replacement effect.”

Other studies of  Connecticutand  Indiana have been led by Jeffrey Swanson, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Duke University. He statistically concluded in both states, about one life was saved for every ten guns seized.

 

Our ruling

Deeds said red-flag laws have been “shown to reduce the number of suicides by firearms.”

The scant research available, confined to two states, backs Deeds. Duke studies have concluded that one life was saved for every 10 firearms seized in Connecticut and Indiana. A University of Indianapolis study found it statistically likely that the two states would have experienced more gun suicides if they didn’t have the law.

But Deeds’ claim could use some clarification. The number and rate of suicides - by gun or other means - has increased in both states and across the nation this century. What the studies conclude is that it would have been even worse in Connecticut and Indiana without the law.

Another issue: While the law prevented many gun suicides in Connecticut, the University of Indianapolis suggests it also led to a more than a corresponding increase in suicides by other methods.

Because Deed’s statement needs these important elaborations,  we rate it Mostly True.

 

Sources:

State Sen. Creigh Deeds,  Comments on Virginia Talk Radio Network(1:28 mark), June 10, 2019.

Interview with Deeds, June 13, 2019.

Legislative Information System,  HB1763, Jan. 17, 2019.

White House, “  President Donald J. Trump is Taking Immediate Actions to Secure Our Schools,” March 12, 2018.

USA Today, “  More States Saying Yes to Red Flag Laws,” May 1, 2019.

Nebraska Legislative Research Office, “Raising Red Flags: Mental Health and Firearms,” Feb. 21, 2019.

Email from Kate Gaul, Research analyst for the Nebraska Legislature, June 14, 2019.

Nebraska Legislature,  LB58, Feb. 10, 2019.

Aaron J. Kivisto, “  Effects of Risk-Based Firearm Seizure Laws in Connecticut and Indiana on Suicide Rates, 1981-2015,” August 2018.

PolitiFact Virginia, “  Ralph Northam is right: GOP governors and legislatures have ok’d red flag laws,” Jan. 9, 2019.

Jeffrey Swanson, “  Criminal Justice and Suicidal Outcomes With Indiana’s Risk-Based Gun Seizure Law,” June 1, 2019.

Swanson, “  Implementation and Effectiveness of Connecticut’s Risk-Based Gun Removal Law: Does it Prevent Suicides?” 2017.

National Rifle Association, "  No charges filed, but legal firearms confiscated anyway," Dec. 11, 2015.

NRA, "  We can prevent violence and protect freedom," May 12, 2018 (3:15 mark).

 

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